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A fun programming languge.
Maybe easier to say what we hate about different languages, than what we love:
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Tuning GC.
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Formatting code. I don't care about opinions.
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Verbosity. Long words used when short words would be fine. My screen is only so big.
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Keyboard acrobatics. Code that looks like math. Syntax more like Ruby than C++.
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Exception handling. Not try/catch or magic numbers.
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Tools (especially compilers and type systems) that put barriers in the way of me solving my problem
- I should be able to compile and run a tiny bit of my program to find out if it works without refactoring the whole codebase, and only when it works should I need to care about all the places that I need to fix
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Complex syntax
- I should be able to read the code and understand what's being expressed
- Counter examples
- Scala
- Perl
- Counter examples
- I should be able to read the code and understand what's being expressed
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Significant whitespace
- This breaks in too many situations. Eg. copy/paste, email
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async/await
- This is the lowest common denominator of async programming
- Better options include
- CSP + transducers
- first class continuations
Things that need to be supported:
- Literal data structures (at least maps, vectors/arrays, numbers, strings, nouns, verbs ... maybe sets, queues, stacks?)
- all data is serialisable / round tripable
- by nouns, I mean names for bits of information are not strings. Ie. in JSON
{
name: "name"
}
the key name
is should not be the same as the value "name"
. They should have distict types.
- by verbs I mean names for bits of code that are equally distict from strings (and names for bits of data)
- nouns and verbs need to have namespaces the same entity will need to use the same name for different values in different bounded contexts - namespaces fix this
{
customer.id: "123"
product.id: "456"
}
- all data is immutable
- transaction system to handle atomic updates to data in memory
- monoidal operations on each of the collection types (identity value + operation)
- need to have a meaningful algebra for combining data
- collections lib should be built around transducers (for optional lazy evaluation)
- collections should be persistent functional data structures a la Bagwell/Hickey
- mulitple dispatch
- predicate dispatch?
- module system
- library fetching
- versioning
- identifying breaking changes
- Tail call optimization
Good ideas that could be pilfered:
- Content addressable code from unison: https://www.unison-lang.org/learn/the-big-idea/
- Commas are whitespace
- Common lisp condition system for error handling?
Dumb questions:
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Do you need classes for anything other than state machines? Can we avoid "classes" altogether?
- Yes ;P
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Use cases for programming tools
- Information processing (eg. take this order, calculate the delivery charge & tax, store it in a db ready for picking/shipping)
- there are 3 bits to this
- what an order looks like
- the domain model of tax calculation, etc
- the mechanical part of storing for retrieval later
- standard java style classes are bad at all of this
- maps / lists / etc are better
- they have an abstract information model that allows introspection, combination, etc
- they have occurrence typing and can process information in shapes they didn't know about when created
- eg. the tax calculation can apply to orders and purchase orders without being re-written if the po has the relevant info in the right place and extra info can just be returned from a function call
- there's a meaningful implementation of equals
- RDF has a lot to offer / inform here
- namespaces on names are really useful
- everything this does should be a pure function
- this builds a domain model
- there should be some kind of schema library to describe and validate the shape of the data
- there are 3 bits to this
- Mechanical processes
- essentially this is a state machine
- eg. writing a web server or updating a db record
- java style classes are better at this, but not great
- these can often be built out of smaller pieces but they're generally impure and should provide a transactional way of going from the past into the future
- examples:
- CSP (like go channels, clojure.core.async, etc)
- Clojure's STM / OCaml's ref type
- Actors (like erlang otp, and scala akka) ( - probably buildable out of the previous two?)
- examples:
- These should apply a domain model transactionally to some data
- This sounds a lot like the disruptor pattern / cqrs / event sourcing as a fundamental design principal
- support for runtime manipulation of processes and data
- processes come in a few shapes
- examples
- request / response (+ middleware / interceptors?)
- map / reduce
- transducers
- state machines
- concurrent execution
- rules engine
- logic engine / minikanren / prolog
- these sound a bit like monads and should be combinable in some way????
- examples
- processes come in a few shapes
- loose coupling
- a lot of langs have high coupling in their default idioms
- examples
- mutable by default collections
- not differentiating between the name, identity and value of something. ie.
- examples
- a lot of langs have high coupling in their default idioms
- Information processing (eg. take this order, calculate the delivery charge & tax, store it in a db ready for picking/shipping)
val x = new Customer("Bob") // this says nothing about the immutablity of the Customer object, but says that `x` cannot refer to any other object, which is pointless
- full coverage pattern matching
- this is localised polymorphism, if you add a new value to an enum (for example) then that becomes a breaking change to any users of that enum
- better served by destructuring + generic polymorphism??
- async/await and other structural patterns
- Serialisation
- json is not good enough - needs more data types ... and to be extensible
- code needs to be serialisable - or at least resolvable (content based addressing) - so we can send code to the data
- if we're serialising code, then the compiler needs to be available at runtime
- Typo's
- dynamic langs tend to not provide tools that help catch typos
- Encapsulation can fuck off
- it only creates problems and solves none
- Static analysis
- type systems are both too weak and too strong
- a map is a function with very specific mappings between it's input and output
- static analysis should be able to track this and tell you about specific values, not just classes of values
- see idris / coq and dependent typing
- static analysis should be optional
- you should be able to compile and run parts of your program without caring about warnings from a stat.anal tool
- you should be able to query the stat.anal results for usages / etc
- stat.anal tools should be canonical - the core lang team should provide "linters"
- type inference is essential, however you need a different type system different use cases
- possible use casess:
- the compiler (if we're targeting wasm, then inferring something is a "Customer" isn't very useful - we need to get down to 64-bit ints)
- occurrence typing for keys in a map useful for information tracking
- possible use casess:
- a map is a function with very specific mappings between it's input and output
- type systems are both too weak and too strong
- Small simple language made out of composable pieces
- the less syntax the better
- the less obscure dsl's the better
- the less difficult reasoning the better
- the core lang should define interfaces for it's core pieces and be built to those abstractions, not concrete types
- starter for 10 as to the bits of the lang that we should build
- reader (deserialises data and code from some kind of stream not just files, into in memory data structures (AST ?))
- writer (serialises data and code)
- resolver - loads code / dependencies (from git???)
- compiler - compiles in memory data into executable code (macro expansion?)
- evaluator - evals compiled code - on a wasm runtime?
- linter
- core data structures
- core libs - divided into pure and impure