Can this plugin work on a plain web app or does it require SP.js?
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It appears this plugin is only for use on a page served up by SharePoint or a page with SharePoint JS libraries already available. In other words, is this plugin dependent upon the SP JavaScripts? I don't see that mentioned anywhere on the home page. Thanks!
@Katydude - I wrote most of this library before SP.js even existed. It works with the old, deprecated SOAP (asmx) Web Services.
If you are on a version of SharePoint greater than 2010, you should really be using REST rather than SOAP. What version are you in and what are you trying to accomplish?
Gotcha. That's good to know.
I wrote a large web app over the last two years that is in AngularJS and
it's served up from within the SharePoint environment. This gave me access
to all of the SP.js libraries and context. I only used the REST services
with CAML and sometimes ODATA to talk to the server. I don't like the SOAP
stuff at all.
However, I'm now attempting to port that app over to Angular 8. I spent
most of the past two days discovering SharePointPlus and then coercing
Angular CLI to compile it and run only to discover that this, too, is a
very old library that just uses SOAP. Sigh.
So, what I now have to decide is if I want to a) stick with that, b) find
something else, c) see if Microsoft's supposed SharePoint TypeScript
library actually exists (they have a documentation site but no links to any
actual code), or, d) pull SP.js into my app as a resource and then see if I
can talk through that to the farm. I know there are going to be several
interconnected .js files for this last approach and I haven't decided yet
if I want to fall down that rabbit hole.
If you've faced a similar situation before I'd love to hear what you
decided to do. I've built a lot of SharePoint stuff for the past ten years
as well as configured several farms so this isn't my time to dance with the
devil :)
Wade
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@Katydude <https://github.com/Katydude> - I wrote most of this library
before SP.js even existed. It works with the old, deprecated SOAP (asmx)
Web Services.
If you are on a version of SharePoint greater than 2010, you should really
be using REST rather than SOAP. What version are you in and what are you
trying to accomplish?
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The real question here is what version of SharePoint you're working in and what you are trying to accomplish. The answers will vary accordingly.
SP 2013/2016 on prem. Basic list data fetching, updating with forms,
uploading attachments, and inspecting/restarting workflows. No calendar,
managed metadata, or search services interactions. Using SP for the
security trimming and workflows.
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The real question here is what version of SharePoint you're working in and
what you are trying to accomplish. The answers will vary accordingly.
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I would suggest looking at PnPjs rather than trying to dig into the bowels of SP.js. It's sort of like the SPServices for REST - and many other things.
Yes! This is what I was trying to find earlier. I knew there had to be a TS
library out there somewhere. Thanks a bunch.
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I would suggest looking at PnPjs <https://pnp.github.io/pnpjs/> rather
than trying to dig into the bowels of SP.js. It's sort of like the
SPServices for REST - and many other things.
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Oh, wait. I think I went down this rabbit hole already. The library has
server-side dependencies and will not work in a pure JS, client-side
environment. I'm pretty sure this library is a non-starter. :(
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Good news (mostly). The Pnp/sp library largely seems to work without need
of any server-side components. The only issue with this is that you do need
a very pristine development environment to get it all to work. (Chrome has
cost me numerous hours the past few days with all of its security blocking
and the PnP library is very quirky to get configured correctly at first.)
Hopefully, this helps someone in the future. Thanks again.
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It has server side dependencies in that it helps you use the REST endpoints, but it does work with 2016.
I'm not sure what you mean about needing "a very pristine development environment to get it all to work". What blockers are you seeing?
There are no server-side dependencies unless you choose to install the node
package. There's a combination of packages one can install that let's a
completely client-side Angular app talk directly to SharePoint without
going through any sort of proxy.
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It has server side dependencies in that it helps you use the REST
endpoints, but it does work with 2016.
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Probably just some stuff isolated to my local dev configuration (Chrome,
CORS blocking, self-signed certs, stuff like that). Everything seems ok now
that I've figured out where the json requests were failing. It
was imperative that I used the sp.setup({...}) function to set up the
Accept header because, by default, requests fail without it.
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I'm not sure what you mean about needing "a very pristine development
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Yeah, you have to do sp.setup. That's a cost of entry.
You can also use the SharePoint Framework (SPFx) on 2016. This would make your solution future-proof in that it's the development platform going forward.
Oh, goodness. I've already banged around for days with SharePointPlus and
now PnP/sp just to do the most rudimentary thing b/c of all the Chrome
nannying and the gaps in the getting started docs (no offense...it's a lot
to cover...but the sp.setup thing should be front and center).
If I'm gonna chase down another one...I'm gonna need alcohol or coffee...or
both!
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Yeah, you have to do sp.setup. That's a cost of entry.
You can also use the SharePoint Framework (SPFx) on 2016. This would make
your solution future-proof in that it's the development platform going
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Right on the Getting Started page. :)
Yes, that is where I eventually found it but well down the page. If it were
me, I would break that page up into a few different pages because the user
is pretty weary by the time they read through all of that trying to figure
out which scenario applies to them.
As for SPFx, it looks very promising but very green. I will definitely keep
a watch on it, though. Thanks.
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Right on the Getting Started page:
https://pnp.github.io/pnpjs/documentation/getting-started/ :)
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SPFx has been out for at least two years now. We build complex solutions with it all the time. You should spend some time out in the community to keep up with what's been going on!
No offense but
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sharepoint/dev/spfx/set-up-your-development-environment
is
all geared around Office 365 and "client side web parts". Not what I'm
looking for.
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SPFx has been out for at least two years now. We build complex solutions
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keep up with what's been going on!
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