Compatible ink cartridges
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Thank you for your work!
In settings there are switches for cartridge color order and head width, so one could guess that printer is compatible with more than one family of cartridges, but no mention anywhere in docs.
What are the compatible models?
Which cartridge are you using in your demo video?
Sorry for late reply and poor documents.
It supports HP 62, HP 64, HP 804 standard capacity or high capacity color cartridges.
Other cartridges that look the same (and have the same contact arrangement) are actually supported. (Such as the cartridge used in the Printbrush XDR.)
This line of cartridges HP underwent an upgrade in 2017, with the chip narrowing from 4.9mm to 4.4mm.
For handheld mobile printing, the 3 colors are misaligned when the speed is abrupt, and theoretically the narrower the chip the smaller the misalignment.
The same degree of misalignment for different color orders, yellow is less pronounced on the outside because yellow itself is less pronounced.
So the best combination is 4.4mm width and "C-M-Y" color order.
HP's products are a bit cluttered, and the color order of different batches may vary from region to region. The original standard capacity cartridges I've come across are all "C-M-Y" order, and for width, unless one buys a very old recycled cartridge, they are all 4.4mm.
If the width selection in the setting does not match the actual one, a 0.5mm color misalignment will occur. If the color choices are inconsistent, the printed pattern colors M and Y are reversed. (You need to re-download the pattern to the printer after modifying the color settings.
So we can have a community knowledge base with a list of models that people have tried and info on whether a particular model/part number is compatible and settings tried.
Did you try with a black-and-white one? (probably it can have less alignment issues and be useful for folks who want to print text labels)
The main supported lists are HP 62, HP 64, HP 804 standard capacity or high capacity color cartridges, the other models are few in number and expensive, so they are of little significance.
I've recently had to try the black and white version, but it drives completely different than the color version and needs a lot of re-investment before it can drive.
If feasible, I'm more inclined to work with HP and use the driver chips and data they provide.
In the case of labeling, the current machine can also do this by converting the picture to one of the colors C, M or Y. The color cartridge itself can also be filled with black ink or any other color you need.
And the labels can be printed using the fixed speed mode in the API with a conveyor, even in color, there is no misalignment problem at all.
So, I can use black HP62XL for text label printing? Do you recommend any cartridge with black solvent ink?
I'm also interested in printing in black and white only - I'm happy to help testing / coding if you can point me in the right direction. I have a couple of black 62XL cartridges I can mess around with.
In the meantime, can you recommend a solvent based black ink I can fill a colour cartridge with? I need to print black only on a glossy surface.
Great work in general - a really cool device!
So, I can use black HP62XL for text label printing? Do you recommend any cartridge with black solvent ink?
Use CMY to blend colors out of black.
Or:
Fill the color ink cartridge with black ink, and the ink consistency should be close to that of color ink.
When editing a picture, you can convert the color to C, M or Y monochrome, so that only one set of nozzles can be used.
I'm also interested in printing in black and white only - I'm happy to help testing / coding if you can point me in the right direction. I have a couple of black 62XL cartridges I can mess around with.
In the meantime, can you recommend a solvent based black ink I can fill a colour cartridge with? I need to print black only on a glossy surface.
The hardware interface of hp62 black ink cartridge and color ink cartridge is completely different, there is no way to use hp62 black ink cartridge directly. And hp62 ink cartridges cannot use solvent ink.
For printing on a smooth surface, please refer to the instructions at the end of the article:
https://blog.d-l.io/mb-faq
Thank you for the quick response - I'll have a go at filling a colour cartridge with black ink, and see how I go with that.
Can you recommend a particular glue? Or by 'stationery glue' do you mean any PVA?
What's the 'permanent' ink cartridge I see advertised for sale in a few different vendors? Some places mention it uses an 'eco-solvent' ink, and others mention it is a 'gel-based' ink, which makes it more suitable for printing on glass / metal etc. E.g. geekbuying.com permanent ink.
The default cartridge ink (include hp original cartridge) is dye ink.
And the 'permanent' ink cartridge is pigment ink.
The 'stationery glue' I tested is this:
I now received my ordered "permanent" cartridge from PRINCUBE Store (I bought a few Mbrush's a few months ago), but the cartridge they sent me was an old (labeled 2015) hp64, which of course was not permanent).
I wrote the PRINCUBE support about that order/delivery, and they immediately issued me a refund. When I thanked them, but asked how and where to get a permanent cartridge, they wrote me back "We tried to find it but there are no permanent ink on the market for the moment, we will let you know when it will be able again"
So, what is that mess about the permanent cartridges? Are they vaporware?? If even PRINCUBE store is not able to tell me where and when to buy??
Does anyone of you have more knowledge about what is the situation about permanent cartridges? Or even a supplier?
Best regards and Thx,
Markus
@MLutzAT As I mentioned above, "permanent ink" cartridges are actually pigment ink, and any ink cartridge recycling company can fill them with pigment ink. Sorry, the problem is that there is a shortage of ink cartridges, and they may become available in a while.
Received my Mbrush yesterday. I ordered a HP62 Black before on Amazon, because the black one is pigment based (better for wood application) and the statement of possible cartridges said HP62 not HP62-TriColor
@dukelec is it just SW effort to be done or is the HW of the Mbrush (e.g. Chip for addressing the cartridge) incompatible with the black Hp62? Didn't want to disassemble my only device on the first day, to have a look inside the good stuff ;)
Thanks for your answer in advance.
@M-Lor Sorry, the HW of the MBrush only support HP62-TriColor, the data signals of HP62-TriColor and HP62-Black are totally different, the Black one use differential signals, but Color one is single-ended. Moreover, their communication protocols are completely different.
The simplest solution is to add pigment based ink to the TriColor version ink cartridge.
The main supported lists are HP 62, HP 64, HP 804 standard capacity or high capacity color cartridges, the other models are few in number and expensive, so they are of little significance.
I've recently had to try the black and white version, but it drives completely different than the color version and needs a lot of re-investment before it can drive.
If feasible, I'm more inclined to work with HP and use the driver chips and data they provide.In the case of labeling, the current machine can also do this by converting the picture to one of the colors C, M or Y. The color cartridge itself can also be filled with black ink or any other color you need.
And the labels can be printed using the fixed speed mode in the API with a conveyor, even in color, there is no misalignment problem at all.
Hi,
I would like to use my mbrush with conveyor belt, but I don't understand how to set the printer to print continuously, without pressing the button on each print.
If you can help me, I would be grateful.
@dukelec Does this support the 64(/xl) black? I realize you said the 62 black was different.